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 Post subject: Re: 35 dead
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:46 pm 
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PamelaDelafield wrote:
This is what terror is. Killing law enforcement and politicians is meant to cause so much terror among them that they can't or won't fight back. Mexico needs to ask the U.S. for help in combating these terrorist and have the U.S. private military sent here to cause the gangs a little terror. I think the old Blackwater crew could finish off some drug cartels pretty fast.


Totally agree. I have been saying for some time that the Mexicans need to invite the US Black Op's in to erradicate these drugs gangs. The Black Op's will make it very deadly to be a drug lord, a gang member or a family member of any of them. Unfortunately there may be some collateral damage but thats a small price to pay. Maybe this is already under way. It worked in Columbia.

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 Post subject: Re: 35 dead
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:04 pm 
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...and if the US can't control it's own criminal element ... why Mexico. Turn Blackwater loose on the US

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:26 pm 
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These recent comments regarding 'turn Black-Water' loose in Mexico.

Makes me think. That some people here are ignoring how strong many Mexicans feel about being a sovereign nation especially in regards to the U.S. (Even if, the socio-economic reality is more, that the two nations are joined at the hip. And Canada.
Making for a threesome:)

Mexican cartels might think 'Mexico, first', (with all that implies).

The current Mexican federal government has to take its political/social/survival future carefully into consideration, before 'asking' for foreign protection. A kind of political suicide, in my opinion.

However. Desparate times/desparate measures. Maybe it will come to this.

However Canada/U.S.A. have quite a number of critical economic issues, burning away. At the moment. Although read, recently that Canada 'sent' a large number of police-trainers, to help the Mexican police force..
At Canadian tax-payers' expense.

Maybe that's a helpful thing. Maybe a drop in a bucket?
Maybe a political gesture. Maybe something more?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:44 pm 
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Calderon wanted private contractors in the 2007 Bush USA-Mexico Anti-Drug Plan:

http://mexidata.info/id1606.html

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The United States and Mexico recently unveiled a new US$1.4 billion anti-drug aid package that aims to help Mexico fight the drug cartels. Although most commentators have applauded the goals of the program, one troubling aspect of the aid package seems to have escaped public notice. Apparently, the appropriation program calls for the use of private contractors to help Mexico fight drug dealers. The issue of “private contractors” has exploded onto the national agenda recently because of human rights abuses in Iraq committed by Blackwater USA, a private, for hire mercenary army.

The possible use of private contractors in the Mexican war on drugs raises a number of disturbing questions.

That private contractors are part of the new drug package is an idea that was reported only in a lone article in the Dallas Morning News (“$1.4 billion U.S.-Mexico anti-drug program to entail use of private contractors,” October 18, 2007). In a tantalizing tidbit, that article reported that the private contractors’ issue “has been among the most sensitive areas of negotiations for both governments.” The Chairman of the US House Intelligence Committee, Silvestre Reyes, said, "I've heard that expressed as a concern on the part of Mexican officials, and it also raises an issue of concern for us because of how contractors are being used in Iraq. That will not be helpful in getting this through Congress." Since that article there have been no more reports or discussions of the matter.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:20 pm 
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Wen is right, I guarantee that the majority of Mexicans would favor the cartels over a foreign hit squad, especially one from the US. I also agree that if you are going to turn those goons loose anywhere it should be in the US and against our own home grown killers, kidnappers and drug runners. Why not? Oh wait, would there be a public outcry? Well, double that for Mexico.

If death squads are the only answer to this drug war than more than ever it is time to re-think why we are in this war. If you want to keep on with it then the hit squads need to be Mexican for any hope of support.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:36 pm 
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Put your trust in the government:

Law versus kidnappers
The nation's Senate agreed to begin discussions to implement a new law to be applied specifically against the worst scourge the nation has faced in its history, which is the cadre of kidnappers beleaguering the citizenry nowadays.
Kidnappers are not merely a dangerous criminal plague, but are also threatening national security, as it is a fact that virtually hundreds of businessmen who have been through the ordeal of being held for ransom are now living abroad for fear of being targeted again.

http://www.thenews.com.mx/home/tnArticu ... ont=382431


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Wen: Makes me think. That some people here are ignoring how strong many Mexicans feel about being a sovereign nation especially in regards to the U.S. (Even if, the socio-economic reality is more, that the two nations are joined at the hip. And Canada.
Making for a threesome:)


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Jonna; Wen is right, I guarantee that the majority of Mexicans would favor the cartels over a foreign hit squad, especially one from the US. I also agree that if you are going to turn those goons loose anywhere it should be in the US and against our own home grown killers, kidnappers and drug runners.


If Mexico wants to use private U.S. contractors and asks the U.S. to supply them, which it has, I think that decision is up to Mexico and it's insulting to Mexico to tell it what it can and cannot do or what is in the interest of its own sovereignty. I don't think Mexicans are children and we must think for them. The information might be available, but I haven't found in what way Calderon wants to use private contractors but if the U.S. agrees to provide them to Mexico it is Calderon's and the Mexican government's decision in how the contractors are used.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:05 am 
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PamelaDelafield,
If Mexico wants to use private U.S. contractors and asks the U.S. to supply them, which it has, I think that decision is up to Mexico and it's insulting to Mexico to tell it what it can and cannot do or what is in the interest of its own sovereignty. I don't think Mexicans are children and we must think for them. The information might be available, but I haven't found in what way Calderon wants to use private contractors but if the U.S. agrees to provide them to Mexico it is Calderon's and the Mexican government's decision in how the contractors are used


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Nancy Conroy,Black clad, private mercenaries operating in Mexican territory is a concept that President Felipe Calderon is certain to reject. Mexico has never allowed foreign military personnel onto its territory, and private commando squads with uncertain loyalties are out of the question. Mexico already has plenty of experience with paramilitary groups,


No where does it say that "Blackwater" or “private contractors” are being considered for implimentaion in Mexico. (Texas is more likely)

Read the whole article.
http://mexidata.info/id1606.html

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 Post subject: Re: 35 dead
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if you ever read john perkins book,diary of an economic hitman, this is one of the mechanisms that they use to convince nice people like you to beg for the very thing you should be fighting against. problem,resolution,solution. problem=we want to take over you, your land and resources. resolution=we will instigate and support violence,disease,fear. solution=you will be so frightened that you will beg us to take over your problems which we caused. this is terrorism,pam. and blackwater is a private military black operations company that is responsible to no one. is this what you would wish on our mexican neighbors and ourselves? none of us would ever be safe in mexico again....
PamelaDelafield wrote:
This is what terror is. Killing law enforcement and politicians is meant to cause so much terror among them that they can't or won't fight back. Mexico needs to ask the U.S. for help in combating these terrorist and have the U.S. private military sent here to cause the gangs a little terror. I think the old Blackwater crew could finish off some drug cartels pretty fast.


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The problem is because of the U.S. appetite for drugs, Mexico has a problem that is worse than the old days of the U.S. mafia. Even if all drugs dried up today and there were no customers, the drug lords have gained so much power that they will continue intimidating politicians and running Mexico.

I responded to a story that Shh had posted showing undercover police being executed. Two years ago Mexico asked for private contractors to be part of a U.S. financial package to fight drugs. The drug lords are committing terror against the Mexican government. I don't think there was ever a time in U.S. history when criminals killed law enforcement officers and politicians as they are doing in Mexico.

Blackwater would have been accountable to the U.S. and to Iraq if the U.S. hadn't passed a law letting Blackwater do whatever it wanted. No one is suggesting that Mexico allow anyone violate the law. Any U.S. contractors would be easy to kick out of Mexico since it would be obvious that they are not Mexican. Mexico needs some people who might be more aggressive and better armed to take out the drug lords so Mexico can get its country back and not lose control to the drug lords. The Mexican military and police have to worry about their families being targeted, and with private contractors they do not have the fear of harm to their families holding them back from fighting the gangs.


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