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 Post subject: Jalisco's turn?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:11 pm 
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A police patrol on Tuesday in the Mexican state of Jalisco found five coolers on a road leading to the city of Guadalajara, containing the severed heads of five men aged 30 to 50 years old.

"They were recently severed heads, cut off about four hours before they were found," said a spokesman from the state attorney general's office.

Amid speculation that the victims were members of drug gangs fighting for territory, messages inscribed on the top of the ice coolers warned of further violence.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:37 pm 
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wyknot,
Understand you live in Canada.

The media feeds on sensational 'stories'.
Everywhere. If it 'bleeds'. It 'leads'.

Heads rolling on dance floors.(in the recent past in Michoacan)
Severed heads in ice coolers in Jalisco(more recently)

Recent drug/gang related deaths in Vancouver( with reference to Mexico)

Everything(one) is (internationally)inter-related. In my opinion.

However, it also seems to me, from my 55 years of life-experience, that until, 'international events' get up close and personal, many people think that said 'international events', happen to someone else. Not them.

Myself. Understand. That if 'anything' happens to another human being. Dollars to donuts. It could happen to me.

point of philosophy perhaps. The Golden Rule.


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Myself. Understand. That if 'anything' happens to another human being. Dollars to donuts. It could happen to me.

point of philosophy perhaps. The Golden Rule.


Or, to avoid being beheaded, avoid the drug trade.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:25 pm 
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Perhaps. Pamela.

However, the drug trade can percolate through levels of every day, life.
In many a small town or city in Mexico. If you understand(not saying support) how 'drug culture' has managed to intermesh, through traditional channels of patronage, and more recently 'remittances'.

It becomes part of a 'whole'. The social fabric.

Before anyone tosses out, the time-honored old, blame the U.S./Canada appetite for drugs argument etc. let me just state, that in my opinion, the whole drug/economic reality, North and South Hemisphere is tied at the hip.

Not to mention. The world-wide trade.

When Mexican drug-lords, set up shop in Africa, to better manufacture(distribute meth), a person has got to wonder. About the interconnectivity of the whole shite and caboodle. And when a Mexican drug king-pin gets named...in a recent high-end business list...And that's somehow...acceptable practice!

Wow! Or is it. double Wow!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:29 pm 
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Where is the phrase "Dollars to Donuts" from?
Sometime in the 1880's, the phrase "dollars to doughnuts" became a popular way of saying one was fairly certain of something. It replaced the similar terms "dollars to buttons" and "dollars to dumplings". The new phrase had the benefit of alliteration to give it an extra kick.

The combination of the two words seems to say that the dollars have a value, while the doughnuts are essentially "zeros", or shaped after the number zero, implying that they have no value.

But as with most phrases, if you really try and figure out a somewhat literal meaning, you end up more confused than when you began! In the case of "dollars to doughnuts", it really isn't worded in a way that we would understand as a bet, and with inflation, the value of a doughnut is oftentimes greater than a dollar! :)

Just like my understanding Spanish

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wen: However, the drug trade can percolate through levels of every day, life.
In many a small town or city in Mexico. If you understand(not saying support) how 'drug culture' has managed to intermesh, through traditional channels of patronage, and more recently 'remittances'.


Being in the drug trade can make someone a lot of money. It's hard for people to turn their backs on that much money.

How to solve it? Get rid of the incentive. No money, no drug trade. Legalize or decriminalize drugs and there is no money or very little money to be made. The drug trade dries up and blows away. That is the only way we can solve it because we cannot ever spend enough to stop it. We damn sure don't have the money now to fight even the level of drugs from ten years ago.


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There's an internet phenomena known as 'cross- forum fertilization'. If there's a given that: knowledge is power. Or in the least. Information. Then consider this post from keith, a friend of ours, for many years.

http://www.mexconnect.com/cgi-bin/forums/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=125264;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


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How come no one in these drug debates mentions that pot is legal in Alaska? Grow or possess up to four ounces for personal use. I understand there is an effort to repeal it, because the police have a difficult time getting search warrants for larger grow ops.

There is a lot of misinformation, thats for sure. I was watching the news the other day, and one of the top drug officials commented about stopping the flow of "cocaine produced in Mexico" - huh - did I miss something here?

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Garyngo wrote:
top drug officials commented about stopping the flow of "cocaine produced in Mexico" - huh - did I miss something here?

Gary, maybe you missed the meaning because of the sentence construction. Did he have an accent. ;) Maybe the guy meant stopping the flowing of cocaine through Mexico which ended up in Canada.
For sure, one can't depend on the details garnered from the media, all one gets is the general thrust of an occurring event and the very controlled visual scope of the video clips.


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wen wrote:
There's an internet phenomena known as 'cross- forum fertilization'. If there's a given that: knowledge is power. Or in the least. Information. Then consider this post from keith, a friend of ours, for many years.

http://www.mexconnect.com/cgi-bin/forums/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=125264;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


OH PSHAW!
This statement comes from a physician, and he said our two MOST ADDICTIVE DRUGS are alcohol and Tobacco. :o If you have ever seen someone try to quit these two, you will understand. Marijuana, on the other hand, he put AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST as being non-addictive and the least dangerous of all. Did you know that heroin in and of itself does NOT harm the body or brain? It's what people will do and what they will give up (like food) that destroys them. Think what some will do for a drink! Or a cigarette! :roll:
Marijuana IS NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTING...IT IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTING...to SOME people. These are the people who have what is referred to as addictive personalities. They will become addicted to any substance or activity (workaholics, etc.) that will provide them with the needed stability and routine.
One other thought... drugs should be legal for all adults, wherever they may be. The only way to curb the trade is to legalize ALL drugs, and concentrate on education. If you've read your history :?: you know that PROHIBITION DIDN'T WORK THE FIRST TIME THEY TRIED IT. Why do you think it will work now? It's nobody's business what consenting adults do among themselves. You cannot legislate morality! :roll: Lizzy

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