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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:49 pm 
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Here's a primer from National Geographic:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text

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Einstein's special theory of relativity (1905) begat the general theory of relativity (1915), and suddenly even such reliable concepts as absolute space and absolute time had been discarded in favor of a mind-boggling space-time fabric in which two events can never be said to be simultaneous. Matter bends space; space directs how matter moves. Light is both a particle and a wave. Energy and mass are inter- changeable. Reality is probabilistic and not deterministic: Einstein didn't believe that God plays dice with the universe, but that became the scientific orthodoxy.

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As Mr. Spock used to say.....fascinating. Don't have time to go through the entire article but will do so soon. Now that's worth investing time on.

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garyngo writes "- the top minds of the world are meeting in Switzerland in November* to explore a mysterious particle, which no one has yet seen"

The "top mind" will not be there or we would already know of him if he/she was ready.

LNC will explain many details but the "top mind" is the one who will vindicate Einstein in his belief that the randomness inherent in quantum mechanics is not fundamental to nature. In his words.."God does not throw dice".

"Top Mind" will show that the organic brain has a special place in the universe, like a cellular automaton that unifies gravity with quantum mechanics. The universe is just a network of information bearing nodes acting according to some simple rules.

And note the closing of the National Geographic article:
"I asked George Smoot, a Nobel laureate physicist, if he thinks our most basic questions will ever be answered.
"It depends on how I'm feeling on any particular day," he said. "But every day I go to work I'm making a bet that the universe is simple, symmetric, and aesthetically pleasing—a universe that we humans, with our limited perspective, will someday understand."


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A deeper discussion of these issues is in "Nature Loves to Hide" by Shimon Malin. I have tried to read it a few times now. I like and understand a few sections, but in the end settled on the many favorable reviews as the way to understand it. :oops:

Here is an Amazon review and reader comments. If you want the book - let me know I will mail it to you.

http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Loves-Hide-Quantum-Perspective/dp/0195138945

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411guy wrote:
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yes, of course I was invited, but I got a dental appointment, maybe next year.


LOL. You are not referring to the particle in Dan Brown's novel Angels and Demons, are you? Is this for real? Do you have a link?


The reality breaks down like this: :arrow: The title to the vid is misleading imo.



Particle beams successfully injected into "Big Bang Machine"
2009-10-27 12:10:00


Reports indicate that engineers working on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) have successfully injected beams of particles into two sections of the vast machine.

According to a report by BBC News, an LHC spokesperson said this was the first time particle beams had been inside the LHC since it was shut down late in September 2008.

Scientists working on the giant particle accelerator described the success as "a milestone".

They plan to circulate a beam around the 27 km-long tunnel in November.


Interesting fact:
Recently, all eight sectors of the LHC were cooled to their operating temperature of 1.9 kelvin (-271C; -456F) - colder than deep space.

http://sify.com/news/particle-beams-suc ... dicbc.html

Foot Note:
Was the World Wide Web really invented at CERN?
Yep, the Web came from CERN:

Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (born 8 June 1955), is a British engineer and computer scientist and MIT professor credited with inventing the World Wide Web, making the first proposal for it in March 1989. On 25 December 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student staff at CERN, he implemented the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the Internet. In 1999, Time Magazine named Berners-Lee one of the 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

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Books explaining complicated mathematical formulas, hand waving philosophies or psychological and neurological experiments will not clarify our understanding of the universe. They may give a "description" of the puzzle but never an "explanation" capable of letting us understand this universe that is our home. The answer has to be much more simple.

The solution may be understanding that consciousness is a consequence of digital computations by the organic brain, a digital information node, connected to a universal digital network or server or network automaton.

You know...the brain encased in a hard head which is in pitch darkness. How do the colours, sounds, smells and feelings of weight and mass get in if not by some electrical impulse transmitted through our sensory organs and then tied in with gravity. Why is "qualia" so difficult to understand and be related to others? e.g. "if you have to be told, you'll never know).


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Not sure I agree that the WWW was discovered in 1991 ... that was just the HTTP protocol in a graphical browser. Before that there were text browsers using a different type of hyperlink. Before that there was Fidonet all transfered over dialup but was world wide

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