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 Post subject: Re: What will MSNBC do now?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:20 pm 
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I think it was the Al Franken thing - she's thinkin "Ooh boy, a professional comedian in the house -sheesh, better get some time to right (write) some new material!".

Did you read the Joan Walsh piece on Salon? Apparently the speech was off the wall - Walsh said the first five minutes sounded like a Furby doll, mouthing 'human' words.

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If she does not want to 'move up' ... why not just wait out the term


See my earlier post. Sexism won out this time. Even Sarah Barracuda couldn't overcome it.


Don't think "sexism" was the problem. "Sexism" would apply if the only reason people wouldn't vote for a candidate would be her sex.

There may have been people who supported her because she is a woman. She certainly drew crowds of fans. Plus, women do vote.

I don't think McCain could have won with any running mate, but it might have increased his chances if he had had a woman of, for instance, Hillary Clinton's caliber and presence on the platform. There is no shortage of Republican women out there with dignity, intelligence and....some class. He didn't choose any of them. We may wonder why.

IMO, there were numerous reasons for not voting for Sarah having nothing to do with her being a woman. My list would start with the hate speeches. A person holding high office who held those views would be adding encouragement to the factions looking for reasons to instigate violence against their fellow citizens. American doesn't need that. Hevvin help us if that becomes the politics of the future.


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Don't think "sexism" was the problem. "Sexism" would apply if the ONLY reason people wouldn't vote for a candidate would be her sex. I don't believe that was the case at all.


I didn't imply that sexism is the reason she and McCain were defeated. I do believe that sexism contributed largely to her decision to quit. If there were a history of political enemies attacking one's children e.g. Chelsea Clinton or the Obama girls, then I guess that would be politics as usual. The fact is that this person was treated with utmost disrespect and they attacked her where it would hurt her the most, as a mother.


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The fact is that this person was treated with utmost disrespect and they attacked her where it would hurt her the most, as a mother.


Nice try ! As it has been said many times in these debates, i think by Gringal, "Follow the Money". If she is such a great mother would she quit a substantial paying job and probably an excellent pension? No - she is being funded because she can raise funds for 2012 - a lot of funds are going to be needed, and she will be paid well. She has already had a dip at that well and seemed to enjoy it.

Funny though that comments from the GOP are saying she is through with politics. Mind you - thats exactly the image you want for the "people's choice" candidate, reluctant to be there, dragged to the podium. They just have to keep her off speeches or debates, and stick to soundbites.

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Funny though that comments from the GOP are saying she is through with politics. Mind you - thats exactly the image you want for the "people's choice" candidate, reluctant to be there, dragged to the podium. They just have to keep her off speeches or debates, and stick to soundbites.


The Republicans aren't going to run her for any future office. She has branded herself as a quitter. She couldn't take the heat, albeit a kind of heat which no other candidate before her has been subjected to. Her detractors got what they wanted. They destroyed the woman and they should be ashamed of their tactics whether successful or not. As Obama himself said ""How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits." His supporters weren't listening. They won..


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Funny though that comments from the GOP are saying she is through with politics. Mind you - thats exactly the image you want for the "people's choice" candidate, reluctant to be there, dragged to the podium. They just have to keep her off speeches or debates, and stick to soundbites.
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Well, yes and no. I suspect that the GOP would like to see Sarah GONE from politics. Yes, she attracts a certain kind of followers, but no, that isn't going to be enough to overcome (a) the fact that they are a vocal minority and (b) her own tendency to be an embarrassment to the party. Last time around, she was even upstaging her own running mate. That's kind of a "no no". LOL. :

However, no way do I think that the press' bad treatment of Sarah will get in the way of her career ambitions for long.
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I think it was quite obvious from the beginning (to outsiders and the rest of the World) the Obamas had "Republican Family Values" McCain and Palin did not.

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I think it was quite obvious from the beginning (to outsiders) the Obamas had "Republican Family Values" McCain and Palin did not.


Gotta say, Arbon, there is a certain fine irony in your statement.

Always thought that the phrase "family values" was a strange one. Uh, whose family? Bernie Madoff's, for instance?
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To illustrate the point of "Republican Family Values":

The so called "Right wingers" that got on this Forum, Dan the multi-millionair, professional engineer that paid X times too much for the dwelling and can't say thank you, Steve the PM cry-baby, speedy the mouse chasing his tail, pedro the philanthropist, I think you all get the gist.Eh

Please feel free to add your own American family value.

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She had absolutely no qualms using her children as campaign props. I especially remember her making a "diaper run" to a supermarket with the little one on her hip. Complete bullshit. She drew the limelight upon them.


And the Republicans had no problem attacking Michele Obama. And they would have done the same for the Obama girls if they could have found any excuse, real or imaginary.


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