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Oliver Prince Smith (October 26, 1893 – December 25, 1977) was a General in the United States Marine Corps and a highly decorated combat veteran of World War II and the Korean War. He is most noted for commanding the 1st Marine Division during the Battle of Chosin Reservoir, where he said "Retreat, hell! We're not retreating, we're just advancing in a different direction."[1] He retired at the rank of four-star general, being advanced in rank for having been specially commended for heroism in combat.


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Which "Dems" attacked her family? Are you saying news commentators such as Olberman or late night TV hosts like Letterman are "Dems"? I don't recall hearing any elected Democrats or Democrat party officials attacking her family. Could you clarify?


I assume that Olbermann, Maddow and Letterman are Democrats and would be very surprised if they supported any Republicans for office. The Libertarians don't seem to have paid much attention to her since she lost the election. The remarks you have attributed to McCain and Limbaugh are also reprehensible and do not somehow justify the way the Palin family was treated.


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Which "Dems" attacked her family? Are you saying news commentators such as Olberman or late night TV hosts like Letterman are "Dems"? I don't recall hearing any elected Democrats or Democrat party officials attacking her family. Could you clarify?


I assume that Olbermann, Maddow and Letterman are Democrats and would be very surprised if they supported any Republicans for office. The Libertarians don't seem to have paid much attention to her since she lost the election. The remarks you have attributed to McCain and Limbaugh are also reprehensible and do not somehow justify the way the Palin family was treated.


Olbermann and Maddow report facts about Palin and family. Those facts might not be the facts that Palin likes but they are facts. Neither have never taken cheap shots or ridiculed her family like Republicans did with Clinton's family. Letterman is a comic and his joke that Palin too so seriously might have been in bad taste but nothing like McCain's or Limbaugh's insults. Find one time that Maddow ever insulted Palin and I doubt you will find that Olbermann ever did it. I've never heard either of them do anything but use a person's words or actions against himself. You are doing what Palin does, defending her by attacking people who only reported her actual actions. Palin never should have been picked as a VP running mate. She was picked on the spur of the moment and that pick was more proof of McCain's incompetence. He makes gut feeling judgements just like GWB.


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You are doing what Palin does, defending her by attacking people who only reported her actual actions. Palin never should have been picked as a VP running mate.


I agree that she was and is a terrible candidate to hold high office. Like many Mexicans are doing today, I cast a null vote because neither Obama nor McCain (and their respective political parties) embraced my admittedly idealistic opinions and values. I accepted your previous post on its face without challenge because you seem to do your homework. But, in the interest of fairness to the truth, according to the FBI, Palin is not under criminal investigation for corruption as reported by your sources. I still think she quit because she recognized that she is a misfit in the dirty world of politics and her family deserves a better life. Joe Biden, in his recent remarks, seems to agree.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 8263.story

From Politico:

Q: Do you believe her when she says she quit for family reasons?

A: Look, one of the things I said today on This Week (the taping of his interview with George Stephanopolous) was, most people in public life make the critical conclusions and decisions about their political life based on personal decisions. So I take her – I didn’t hear her press conference, all I was told was that she said and related to it was a personal decision a family decision and I take her at her word. In my experience that’s how 95 percent of decisions by public officials in both parties are made when they’re this important to their careers, so I take her at her word.


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AustinC wrote:

I assume that Olbermann, Maddow and Letterman are Democrats and would be very surprised if they supported any Republicans for office. The Libertarians don't seem to have paid much attention to her since she lost the election. The remarks you have attributed to McCain and Limbaugh are also reprehensible and do not somehow justify the way the Palin family was treated.


Oh okay. You betcha. Your whole whine is based on assumptions.

What I find odd is someone as intelligent as yourself swallowed Palin's "victim" card. She didn't resign because of attacks on her family. The woman is gonna make big bucks in the coming months by being exactly where she'll be the most vulnerable. In the public spotlight making money hand over fist giving paid speeches and raising money for the loonie fringe of the Republican party.


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AustinC: I accepted your previous post on its face without challenge because you seem to do your homework. But, in the interest of fairness to the truth, according to the FBI, Palin is not under criminal investigation for corruption as reported by your sources.


Why would the FBI be investigating a state politician? The FBI does not have jurisdiction in state investigations where a federal law was not violated, or the FBI must be invited in to investigate.

Face it, Plain is sleazy and is out for money. She will do anything for a dollar. She makes the worst politicians look good.

If the FBI is investigating Palin, it is prohibited by law from telling anyone that it is.

I assume your source:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 8263.story

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Reporting from Washington -- A day after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin resigned, a federal official in her home state dismissed one potential explanation for her sudden and unexpected resignation: a rumored FBI investigation into the former Wasilla mayor on public corruption charges.


These accusations were made when she was a VP candidate and are under investigation:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... uss-palin/

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The suddenness of Sarah Palin's resignation Friday raises the question about whether Palin is leaving to avert a major scandal. One logical place to start looking is the affair that has Alaska political circles buzzing: an alleged scandal centered around a building contractor, Spenard Building Supplies, with close ties to Palin and her husband, Todd.

Many political observers in Alaska are fixated on rumors that federal investigators have been seizing paperwork from SBS in recent months, searching for evidence that Palin and her husband Todd steered lucrative contracts to the well-connected company in exchange for gifts like the construction of their home on pristine Lake Lucille in 2002. The home was built just two months before Palin began campaigning for governor, a job which would have provided her enhanced power to grant building contracts in the wide-open state.

SBS has close ties to the Palins. The company has not only sponsored Todd Palin's snowmobile team, according to the Village Voice's Wayne Barrett, it hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004.

Though Todd Palin told Fox News he built his Lake Lucille home with the help of a few "buddies," according to Barrett’s report, public records revealed that SBS supplied the materials for the house. While serving as mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin blocked an initiative that would have required the public filing of building permits—thus momentarily preventing the revelation of such suspicious information.

Just months before Palin left city hall to campaign for lieutenant governor, she awarded a contract to SBS to help build the $13 million Wasilla Sports Complex. The most expensive building project in Wasilla history, the complex cost the city an additional $1.3 million in legal fees and threw it into severe long-term debt. For SBS, however, the bloated and bungled project was a cash cow.

Prior to her sudden announcement, Palin gave every indication that she intended to complete her tenure as governor.

On July 1, Palin met with Alaska Senator Mark Begich to discuss funding for the missile-defense systems that would be stationed in Alaska. In May, Palin initiated a plan to circumvent the state legislature by introducing a ballot measure that would ban minors from receiving abortions without parental consent. She vowed to be the first to sign the measure event though it would not be certified until August 2010.

In a press conference today, Palin blamed the media for her demise. "You are naïve if you don't see a full-court press on the national level, picking apart a good point guard," she declared, using a basketball metaphor to refer to the flood of critical stories published about her.

On July 1, CBS reported that a story authored by me and journalist David Neiwert for Salon.com in October 2008 about Palin's ties to a secessionist political party caused her deep personal distress, and provoked a rancorous series of exchanges with her campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. Coupled with a withering profile of Palin published in the August 2009 issue of Vanity Fair, the new round of exposés may have been too much for Palin to stomach.

Palin may have resigned from politics altogether. According to NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Palin "has told some of her biggest backers in the national Republican Party that they are free to choose other candidates for 2012." But those choices are dwindling at a surprisingly rapid pace.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:18 am 
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Three more ethics complaints against Palin in the works
AlaskaReport has learned that at least 3 more ethics complaints will be filed against Sarah Palin in the near future. Of course her cronies at the Personnel Board will probably sweep them under the rug – but at least the crimes will have a light shined upon them before they do… Also – A long simmering embezzelment/IRS scandal is still being looked at by the feds. Stay tuned…


The Alaskan blogger site Palin truly hates:

http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -continue/

A blog site with all the PalinGate investigations she has incurred in a short time in office:

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/06/ ... s-one.html


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AustinC wrote:
I wasn't aware that she is to be charged with criminal acts of corruption. Simply resigning can't save her from that. If the charge is true, then she belongs in jail just like Blagojevich. Why though, if the Dems had this kind of serious stuff against her, did they spend so much time attacking the family?


During the campaign, I remember reading somewhere (Anchorage Daily News?) about this story of Palin's house/Todd's 'buddies' helping him build it/same contractor and materials used in the Sports Complex in Wasilla built while Sarah was mayor. The investigation isn't anything new, Alaskans have been asking questions about it for a while ... but she was a small town Mayor at the time this all happened. The News during the campaign was focused on the Ethics violations hearings that were ongoing, regarding the Troopergate story. The house was on a back burner, but there WERE people looking into it. Why should it have been the 'Dems' doing it? The authorities were doing it.

She isn't under indictment, (yet) but she IS under investigation about the house, and it has been an issue in AK.

I can see how a small town Mayor might get away with stuff like this, if they ALSO are doing a good job for their town... the problem for Palin, is that she went on to bigger things, and so the spotlight got bigger. She didn't anticipate that coming back to bite her a few years down the road.

Now she is whining about it, blaming bloggers (http://www.themudflats.net and Shannyn Moore) for the attention, threatening to sue them etc .... Sarah just doesn't GET IT ... she thinks she is above it all, deserves all the glory and attention BUT somehow feels she is also owed deference and respect.

Why did she quit? She will make tons of money now (book/appearances/speeches) and besides, now that the price of oil is down, AK isn't swimming in cash, so someone with ideas/knowledge/foresight needs to be in charge .. and that AINT Sarah! In 2010, she doesn't want to have to answer for the problems in AK so she is passing the buck on now.

And ... there probably ARE indictments in the works; the chickens are coming home to roost, and that 'home' is Palin's house!


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If, in fact, her public life is now over as has been speculated here, the question becomes: "What Will Tina Fey Do Now?". LOL.

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