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 Post subject: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:39 pm 
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"The attacks were among the boldest frontal offenses carried out against the government.
They appeared to be in retaliation for the arrest of Arnoldo Rueda Medina, an alleged member of La Familia drug cartel, which is based in Michoacan.

Convoys of heavily armed gunmen tossed grenades and opened fire on police stations in the state capital of Morelia and in five other cities between 5 a.m. and 9 a.m. (6 a.m.-10 a.m. EDT, 1000-1300 GMT) Saturday. Assailants also shot up a hotel where federal agents were staying in Apatzingan, according to the state attorney general's office.
Five federal agents and two soldiers were killed."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/07 ... lobal-home


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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:08 pm 
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La Familia are some frightening folks. Evangelists, they often carry a Bible along with their gun and the leaders quote scripture a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:02 am 
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Here are a couple of articles on the attack in Patzcuaro:

http://tzuru4.blogspot.com/2009/07/bana ... llets.html

And for those that are not Spanish challenged:

http://www.cambiodemichoacan.com.mx/ver ... ?id=104881

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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:20 pm 
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La Familia are some frightening folks. Evangelists, they often carry a Bible along with their gun and the leaders quote scripture a lot.


I'd hate to see the guys who don't quote scripture, though I'm not sure they're getting the entire message, especially the part about Thou Shallt Not Kill.

I think it's very unfortunate that despite Calderon's best efforts (or maybe because of them) Mexico has been torn apart by challenging the money trail of drugs, which has led to terrible violence. Anytime a bunch of guys with a bunch of guns start shooting up everything in sight it can get very nasty for anyone in the vicinity. If your drug boss hands you a gun I don't think you're going to be very scrupulous about how accurately you use it, so you just pull the trigger. The guy who taught me to shoot would be aghast, as am I. I learned the obligation of handling a gun--try to hit the target without also putting a couple of holes in that trash can over there, don't point it at someone unless you intend to shoot him, ignore all the cop shows you've seen--but I am sure the drug cartels have no such moral difficulties. But then I just learned to shoot targets, not people.

As long as there's big money in drugs the gangs will be there. There are 3 choices, it seems to me--legalize drugs (take away the big profits), continue putting a lot of people in jail, or expect continued violence at the source. It's not bad enough that our prisons are full of drug offenders, now innocent people also have to be prepared to die while pumping gas in Mexico.

If there's a fourth choice, I'd like to hear it (and I don't mean that suddenly everyone stops using drugs--that ain't gonna happen). I think we've dug a deep hole (or backed ourselves into a corner--choose your metaphor) and we're now finding out the consequences. I admire Calderon for taking on the problem of drogistas and corruption (hand in hand, after all), but what a mess it's turned into. This is, I suppose, why his party lost the mid-term elections. I can't expect Mexico to continue to put up with this any more than US citizens would tolerate it. People are people--they want to get on with their lives without having to duck flying bullets. It doesn't happen everywhere in Mexico, but jeez--

As Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico--so far from God, so close to the United States." He may have been a dictator, but in this case he was right.

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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:38 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:57 am 
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chinagringo wrote:
The following is a quote from a post made by Esperanza


"I live here, and I'm staying because this is my country and my home. But if you're a tourist, my opinion is that this is not the time to wander around clueless in Michoacán."

Wise words from a credible source. It certainly applies to "Clueless" tourist and probably, as well, to expats who seem to be in denial, for some reason or other.


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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:55 pm 
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Tortured bodies found in Mexico

Mexican police have found at least 12 bodies dumped on a road in the western Michoacan state, which has become a flashpoint in Mexico's war on drugs.

Officials say the victims were tortured before being shot. They were then left near the town of La Huacana.

Michoacan has been hit by a wave of drug-related killings in recent weeks after the government's crackdown on drug cartels.

Last week, gunmen killed five people in attacks on the federal police.

They are believed to be revenge attacks after last Friday's arrest of suspected drug boss Arnoldo Rueda - a senior member of the La Familia Michoacana drug cartel.

(Page last updated at 05:09 GMT, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 06:09 UK)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8149066.stm


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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:29 pm 
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Thank God for the BBC and the NY Times or those of us actually living in Mexico wouldn't know what's going on!


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 Post subject: Re: Morelia, Michoacan
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For some additional info on this matter, a link to a conversation on MexCon started by myself about Michoacan:
http://www.mexconnect.com/cgi-bin/forum ... reply;so=A
SC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

There are some links to local news and blogs discussing these recent events and numerous comments from locals.

Additional info:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31909590/ns ... -americas/

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